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Jaded
10-29-2007, 08:15 PM
I guess we've identified all the conservatives and liberals. Is anyone neither? I'm sort of a political eclectic. I lean to the left on social issues, and to the right on fiscal issues. I don't deal well with anyone on the far left or the far right. I'm a registered Independent, because they didn't have a checkbox for Eclectic. LOL

I do vote mostly Democratic, because my social conscience won't allow me to do otherwise, but I have voted Republican, Independent, Green ticket, and even Libertarian.

Missourimom
10-29-2007, 11:56 PM
I do vote mostly Democratic, because my social conscience won't allow me to do otherwise.

Me too, but I am not a liberal.....I'm a conservative Democrat.

monkeywrangler71
10-30-2007, 12:24 AM
I'm a registered Independent

Can you explain to me what this means? I'm sorry for my ignorance, but I've never been able to figure out the US political system. I hear/see this all the time and don't understand. Do you have to tell the government what party you support when you register to vote?

I don't know if I'm middle of the road, I think I'm more for zigzagging up, down and across the road. I scored somewhere left of the Dalai Lama on the political compass test, but I've never voted for the party traditionally considered to be on the left in Canada. I've been a card carrying member of the Liberal party and the Green party (not at the same time of course), but I've voted Conservative, and I actually like our current Conservative government - although it's a minority government and no one has complete control, so maybe that just appeals to my zigzagginess.

Edna_E
10-30-2007, 05:45 PM
Me too! I always vote on various issues rather than along party lines. I'm a bit of a tree-hugger, but conservative on some other issues.

Jaded
10-30-2007, 07:05 PM
Me too, but I am not a liberal.....I'm a conservative Democrat.

Good name for it! People do not believe that Democrats can be conservative.

Jaded
10-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Can you explain to me what this means? I'm sorry for my ignorance, but I've never been able to figure out the US political system. I hear/see this all the time and don't understand. Do you have to tell the government what party you support when you register to vote?

I don't know if I'm middle of the road, I think I'm more for zigzagging up, down and across the road. I scored somewhere left of the Dalai Lama on the political compass test, but I've never voted for the party traditionally considered to be on the left in Canada. I've been a card carrying member of the Liberal party and the Green party (not at the same time of course), but I've voted Conservative, and I actually like our current Conservative government - although it's a minority government and no one has complete control, so maybe that just appeals to my zigzagginess.

Independent means you have no party affiliation. You can vote for whoever you want in the local elections, and in the Presidential, you can only vote in one primary (Republican or Democrat), but you can vote for whoever you want at election time. Some independents use the primary to vote AGAINST who they don't want (in other words, vote for the other one) to even the odds, whether they are actually going to vote that way or not in the final election. For example, say I was going to vote for the Green Party candidate in the final election. I know he has no chance against Hillary, but maybe against the Republican most likely to be nominated. I would vote Democratic in the primary, for whoever is running against Hillary. If Hillary was a shoo-in, I would vote for the weakest Republican candidate in that primary.

jamie79
10-31-2007, 12:20 AM
I am an registered independent. I do not vote for the party, I vote the issues. I tend to lean Democratic in my social views and a bit more conservative in the money area, in most circumstances.

tbs727
10-31-2007, 01:04 PM
I guess we've identified all the conservatives and liberals. Is anyone neither? I'm sort of a political eclectic. I lean to the left on social issues, and to the right on fiscal issues. I don't deal well with anyone on the far left or the far right. I'm a registered Independent, because they didn't have a checkbox for Eclectic. LOL


It's like I wrote that myself. I agree completely.

Sari
10-31-2007, 01:33 PM
I'm registered Republican but I guess I'm more Independent or Conservative Democrat in my thinking. I don't know. I'm not very current on the issues right now. Because of the whole stem-cell and abortion thing I usually vote Rep.

cab54
10-31-2007, 05:09 PM
Me too. I'm a 'fence sitter'.

I'm constantly hearing 'If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything.'

I just don't think that ANYBODY is an expert on what's right for all of us. Maybe Jesus was. I know I'M not.

Michelle68
10-31-2007, 07:28 PM
I just don't think that ANYBODY is an expert on what's right for all of us. Maybe Jesus was. I know I'M not.

That's the way I feel, also. I have voted both Democrat or Republican, depending on the issue, but I tend to lean more to the Democratic side. I can't, in all good conscience, vote a straight ticket. There are crappy politicians in every party and I refuse to vote for a candidate simply based on what party they belong to.


--Michelle

Jaded
11-01-2007, 12:26 AM
That's the way I feel, also. I have voted both Democrat or Republican, depending on the issue, but I tend to lean more to the Democratic side. I can't, in all good conscience, vote a straight ticket. There are crappy politicians in every party and I refuse to vote for a candidate simply based on what party they belong to.

A hearty Amen to that one, sister! That's why I hate to take sides, although I will admit, I voted straight democratic in the last election, simply because I wanted to get the Repubs out of control of Congress. I knew they'd fix the election so that they would win, so I wasn't even thinking about President.

frugal-fannie
11-02-2007, 04:28 AM
Me too, but I am not a liberal.....I'm a conservative Democrat.
That is my problem I consider liberal=no morals so I don't think I ever want to be one and would never proclaim myself one. I do tend to be more libertarian in my thinking, and the democratic party today started copying the old republican party, just to mess with our heads a bit. So If the Dems would ever get some morals and stop bending over for the left they might be a consideration, but I doubt it, this country can not afford a nation healthcare plan. And the countries that have socialized medicine=no care take a number and we will maybe get to you before you die are not were I want to be. I consider myself a Green Republican.

powerfm1
11-02-2007, 08:38 AM
Have to disagree - we do need national health care - the costs now are killing people (literally) and you can't get in to a lot of specialists for 3 months to 1 year (I know this - I've done it).

I vote a straight democratic ticket, even though I'm far to the left of traditional dems. The system we're working under is no longer working, the rich are a small percentage of the population and control almost everything. The middle class is no longer middle class and everyone is struggling. If we weren't no one we ever be on Frugal Village.

IMHO

annymoll
11-02-2007, 08:53 AM
Have to disagree - we do need national health care - the costs now are killing people (literally) and you can't get in to a lot of specialists for 3 months to 1 year (I know this - I've done it).

I vote a straight democratic ticket, even though I'm far to the left of traditional dems. The system we're working under is no longer working, the rich are a small percentage of the population and control almost everything. The middle class is no longer middle class and everyone is struggling. If we weren't no one we ever be on Frugal Village.

IMHOI am not struggling financially. I am here to learn tips to conserve my money, and to free up even more money. The system is working for us, and we did no different than anyone else. Go to school, work hard, spend wisely.We all earn our money, regardless of how much money we earn.I am against a national healthcare system, and will vote in that fashion. That is the nice thing about our system. We all have the choice to vote.

Jaded
11-02-2007, 09:28 AM
Have to disagree - we do need national health care - the costs now are killing people (literally) and you can't get in to a lot of specialists for 3 months to 1 year (I know this - I've done it).

I vote a straight democratic ticket, even though I'm far to the left of traditional dems. The system we're working under is no longer working, the rich are a small percentage of the population and control almost everything. The middle class is no longer middle class and everyone is struggling. If we weren't no one we ever be on Frugal Village.

IMHO

I agree in part about health care, but I think it needs to be subsidized, not controlled entirely. I think that you should be able to have part of your medical expenses paid for by the government, within limits of course, but I don't want it to be like Canada, where people have to cross the border to get care they cannot wait for up there.

There is no perfect health care system, but this one surely isn't working.

There is no middle class. I remember when $100,000 income was considered wealthy. It would still be wealthy for me, but now it's just barely middle class.

mikandmari
11-02-2007, 10:18 AM
"I lean to the left on social issues, and to the right on fiscal issues."

Jaded, that is absolutely how I feel.

As far as national healthcare, I think there should be some type of assistance for catastrophic illnesses. And although I understand the benefits of "wellness" visits, beyond that I think medical care should be only used for serious issues. Then maybe people wouldn't run to the doctor for every little runny nose, and the entire country wouldn't be overdosing on antibiotics, causing more aggressive bacterial strains to develop.

After all, auto and homeowner's insurances work this way. You don't bill your insurance company for a flat tire or a toilet that won't work. You just pay to have it fixed!

frugal-fannie
11-02-2007, 01:17 PM
"I lean to the left on social issues, and to the right on fiscal issues."

Jaded, that is absolutely how I feel.

As far as national healthcare, I think there should be some type of assistance for catastrophic illnesses. And although I understand the benefits of "wellness" visits, beyond that I think medical care should be only used for serious issues. Then maybe people wouldn't run to the doctor for every little runny nose, and the entire country wouldn't be overdosing on antibiotics, causing more aggressive bacterial strains to develop.

After all, auto and homeowner's insurances work this way. You don't bill your insurance company for a flat tire or a toilet that won't work. You just pay to have it fixed!
That is because it is privately run, leave the government to run it and you have to many high paid pencil pushers, who know they can't get fired for a job poorly done. I'm sure our County Hospitals have hit the news across the nation for the poor job they have done they shut down one and now they are looking at shutting down another county one.Of course the illegal immigration is a big thing, but since hospitals cant ask if they are here illegal they usually stick the private hospitals with the bill, since the care is better.

Michelle68
11-02-2007, 10:15 PM
That is my problem I consider liberal=no morals so I don't think I ever want to be one and would never proclaim myself one. I do tend to be more libertarian in my thinking, and the democratic party today started copying the old republican party, just to mess with our heads a bit. So If the Dems would ever get some morals and stop bending over for the left they might be a consideration, but I doubt it, this country can not afford a nation healthcare plan. And the countries that have socialized medicine=no care take a number and we will maybe get to you before you die are not were I want to be. I consider myself a Green Republican.


Personally, I think the lack of morals can be seen to extend to the conservative/Republican side of the fence, also. I don't think anyone's political affiliation gives them a corner on the market for morality. I can cite many examples of politicians with questionable morality in either party. I don't believe morality is the sole domain of any one political party.


--Michelle

Missourimom
11-02-2007, 10:40 PM
Have to disagree - we do need national health care - the costs now are killing people (literally)



I couldn't agree more.

frugal-fannie
11-03-2007, 04:55 AM
I couldn't agree more.
I agree we could use a national healthcare, but it needs to be privatized, no govt running it. We had people calling 911 in the emergency room of our county run hospitals and dieing. They closed down that hospital and now someone similar problem just died in the emergency room of another county hospital and they are talking about closing that one also. So we are going to be left with maybe one county hospital for all of LA County.Canadas and Englands system also is horrible. Most have to pay private hospitals to get any care or they come over here. My friend is Canadian and her dad had prostate CA. They told him he would have to wait over 18 months to get surgery.You don't think he might have died waiting so long for surgery. They brought him to the US and paid cash for it.I have friends from England and it gets even worse. Here we provide care for elderly. There it is rationed. Younger people get in for service first,which I can see.My friends mother had arthritis so bad she could not hardly walk they told her she was to old for the surgery 70. I code hospital records for almost 25 years now and plenty of people here in the US go on to get hip replacements into their 80s and above, they have even made the surgery less invasive over the years so people can recover faster and people still live years later. I wouldn't want a government healthcare were they told me you are too old . Or to a younger person, we don't really feel you need a hysterectomy, I think you can deal with that anemia and bleeding problem.think twice before voting for any hilarycare.