Vaccines

[Nishu]

My daughter is going in for her 2 week appointment on Wednesday. I put off her Hep B vaccine at the hospital and I told the Dr. that we'd be getting it at her 2 week well baby. Now I don't want to. I'm really torn on what to do about her vaccinations.

Fill me in, guys. Where can I get some reliable information? Are there any vaccines that are absolutely necessary? Any that she can do without or delay safely?

[Jamauk]

HA! You missed a whole long thread on vaccines while you were off having your baby!

Both of our boys had all of their vaccines on schedule. If we ever decide to have more kids we will probably just get the life threatening ones and spread them out (I'm not sure 7 vaccines in one sitting is necessary). We'll space the rest of the vaccines out after the baby turns two and the immune system is a little more developed.

I haven't really done any research on it just yet, so I wish I had more than my own opinion to give you. Sorry.

[Nishu]

:p Are you all vaccined out? Way to wear yourselves out just before someone NEEDS you, guys.

I'm thinking about spacing out the vaccines too, at the very least. I'm worried that the doctor is going to be mean about it. I'm such a sissy.

[Palooka]

My daughter is going in for her 2 week appointment on Wednesday. I put off her Hep B vaccine at the hospital and I told the Dr. that we'd be getting it at her 2 week well baby. Now I don't want to. I'm really torn on what to do about her vaccinations.

Fill me in, guys. Where can I get some reliable information? Are there any vaccines that are absolutely necessary? Any that she can do without or delay safely?

I did get my son the Hep B vax at the hospital. They just talked me into it! But I really felt it was a good idea.

The one shot that I did not want was the flu one that they press for at 6 months. No way am I shooting mercury into my child. I also was a SAHM and he really wasn't around much other kids. So glad he never got it. He has had several of the routine shots. I am still dragging my feet on some. It is so wierd for my because I never question what was in a vax before or side affects with my other two kids and they got them all like clockwork..

Now days it does get a little alarming somewhat. Never thought I would sit on the fence with this issue....but I am! Stuck.

I wish a little fairy would land on my shoulders and tell me what is really necessary.

Ever really looked up the ingredients to those vax? Ugh, I'm not even going to post a link. It might offend some if they really knew what was in them...

Okay, so not really help, but congrats!

Way maybe I will later..

[Frugal Nurse]

Oh oh!! Nishu! I am terribly sorry I missed this thread. I have been a bit self-absorbed lately. As you have!! Congrats on the baby!!!

I was wondering where you went off to. I am so happy it was a wonderful reason.
I suppose the baby is super healthy?


The vaccines: I don't base my decision on just one article and neither should you.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html

I can say with certainty. If it were my child. I would vaccinate against Pertussis, Diptheria, Tetanus and Polio.
To me, those diseases are truly life threatening/altering.
All others are not necessary. IMPO.

If your daughter is sexually active, an IV drug user or otherwise at high risk of exposure (like a plumber or a healthcare worker) - I would most certainly vaccinate against HepB.

I wonder what you decided to do.

Unfortunately there is a lot of pressure when you're at the doctors.. .sort of like... 'We'll file if you don't' kind of thing.

You can only do this if it is your strong conviction.

[fernykins]

I'm sorry but I beleive in the vacines......... I've had friends with hep b, polio If you had chicken poxs as a child you take the risk of getting shingles as an adult. My little sister did mostly on her face. Very painful. The reason we don't get the diseases is because we vacinate. Yes somee people think that its a bad thing to do, but people die from these diseases. I also had 2 of my children get the smallpox vacine. Being married to a military man it was mandatory to leave the states. But that is your child so you do what you think is best,
Fern

[KKCondrey]

Paige had all hers on schedule as well. With the first being the Hep B at the hospital. The only thing we never got her was a flu shot. If you aren't comfortable with getting them then talk to the Doctor about what they believe is ABSOLUTLY neccessary.

[Frugal Nurse]

I'm sorry but I believe in the vacines......... I've had friends with hep b, polio If you had chicken poxs as a child you take the risk of getting shingles as an adult. My little sister did mostly on her face. Very painful. The reason we don't get the diseases is because we vacinate. Yes somee people think that its a bad thing to do, but people die from these diseases. I also had 2 of my children get the smallpox vacine. Being married to a military man it was mandatory to leave the states. But that is your child so you do what you think is best,
Fern

Fern It's okay to beleive in them. Some are perfectly fine. It's gone overboard though. Would you agree with that at least?

Can I say that getting ch. pox as a child doesn't mean you'll get shingles as an adult. Those that DO get shingles as an adult it is because your immune system as weakened and allowed the dormant varicella to come out. Address the weakened immune system - and there won't be shingles outbreak. And no body ever died from shingles or ch. pox. (btw- it's a pretty good predictor that shingles outbreak is followed by a cancer growth.)

But I will tell you what is happening... the vacc is wearing off in the teen years. Teens/young adults run the risk of becoming sterile if they get the ch. pox. Current studies are being done to determine when a booster should be given. Eee gads. Don't you think you should have thought about that first!
There hasn't needed to be a booster against natural immunity. New moms who do not have natural immunity doesn't protect her newborn baby. So, that will mean the newborn needs another shot at birth. Bad. just bad.

Measles. Measles rate went down 99.4% BEFORE the vaccine was started. But vaccine related deaths went up.
http://www.whale.to/v/measles_deaths.html
Mumps. Ditto. and the mumps cases have been increasing each year in adults. Adult males who get mumps can have orchitis. Even though they were vaccinated. double OUCH.
http://www.whale.to/v/mumps.html
Rubella. If you are female and of child bearing age - I can see taking this so that you don't risk infecting your baby in utero. But otherwise, had the mom contracted Rubella in her childhood years.. that wouldn't be an issue. Now would it.
Pneumonia There is a reason why we keep babies from sick people. Common sense.
Infleunza ditto with PNA
HepB: zero percent chance of contracting it. 100% percent chance of experiencing side effects.
Hib If your baby is at high risk of pulmonary issues - then vaccinate for this. But honestly, a bit of precaution would work better.

I already mentioned the other ones above.

What I am saying - and not to Fern - even though I quoted her here is..... please make an informed decision.
DO NOT TAKE what your doctor says as word. They mean well, but they are being told what they have to do as well.

Look at all the information and data that is available.
Then make your best decision knowing that you are well armed and strong in your knowledge.

Some vaccines are good. I am going to venture and say that the ones that were created earlier are the safest and most needed.

The ones that are created in the recent 10 years... not so great.

IMPO of course.

[Nishu]

FN, you really do give some great information and I wish I had you in my pocket a couple weeks ago when this came up in another board. The pro-vax get downright ANGRY when they talk about people who don't vaccinate their kids.

As far as what I decided...

I didn't.

They told me in the hospital that I could put off the HebB for up to two months, so I figure I have until her two month well baby to decide. They didn't bring it up. I didn't either. I still need time to read up.

Btw, I made an announcement!
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[PB&J]

I put the HepB off for a few months. I made sure DS was always up to date on the important ones, DPT, but the rest I spaced out a bit so he wasn't getting lots of pokes at one appointment.

We did DPT, Hib, Hep and then when he was a year we did Chicken Pox, when he was almost 2, MMR. I always tried to space them out so he was only getting one shot per appointment.

The only extra shot we got him was the Prevnar, because he had been having really bad ear infections that was starting to affect his hearing. Before jumping right to tubes, we decided to see if Prevnar would help, so we had him get that vaccine. It did help a lot and he has only had one or two ear infections since. (He is 3 now, he was about 9 months when he got the shot. )