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08-17-2011, 10:20 AM #1
One woman's rant on what kids have to bring
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08-17-2011, 10:37 AM #2
While I agree with the idea of personal responsibility and not "having" to provide for others, IMHO I'd rather donate school supplies that see my taxes go up. At least I know the school is getting something real, I'm not just handing my money over to some slush fund.
08-17-2011, 10:38 AM #3
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I agree with that parent, when my kids were in school they did not need that much stuff, I would buy extra when on sale and leave it at home for use later when needed.
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08-17-2011, 10:51 AM #4
I found the article interesting . . . but the comments even more so!
08-17-2011, 11:01 AM #5
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In my area almost every city, village is giving away school supplies to kids that need it, I have given a new coat/hat/gloves to a little girl that had a light jacket in the middle of winter I was on lwelfare and when I received some extra money I found out what size she wore than went out and bought the coat and gave to the teacher and she gave it anonymously to her.
08-17-2011, 11:49 AM #6
I have not run into communal supplies much besides sharing the kleenex or baby wipes and zip lock bags.
This year the high school children were given extra credit if they brought n a box of kleenex.
I do know some of the whys of why they as for some thing though
"who is drinking the coffee" the author wrote. Answer no one. They are art supplies ad paper so pre k students can learn cutting and coloring and painting and for work on other fine motor skills. Great small motor skill just getting the coffee filters unstuck from each other.
Gallon bags are for storing stuff in. There are so many manipulatives and vocabulary cards pieces for this and pieces for that that the teachers use Ziploc bags to store them. Thy also use Ziploc bags as book protectors. When my children were younger those little books that were there homework would come in the Ziploc bags to keep them together and to protect the books too. I will gladly provide Ziploc if it means that it saves them or me money by not having to replace expensive books.
Now the 4 packages of crayons that seems a bit odd/ excessive to me but I do know kindergarten teachers and primary teachers that give there students new crayons at Mid term as a present. When you have been waiting for Suzy to finish with her green crayon so you can borrow it because your green broke or got lost you just plain used up. A new box of crayons at mid term is nice
Baby wipes are for cleaning dry erase boards when the ink seems to have become permanent or to clean desks etc. Paper is for copying and for projects and reports and notes home etc. Sure those should be a school expense but if they are looking at their budget and deciding pay teachers or buy wipes and paper then I do not mine helping there budget out by providing it.
What we provide is a very small portion of what the school and the teacher's own pockets provide. I will gladly provide it just let me know if it is communal property. Then I will buy the yellow pencils not the barbie pencils
I know that knowing what they need them for helps a bunch here so teachers will tell parents what it is for and why they need it I mean your more willing to buy coffee filers wen you know they are for your child to use instead of providing coffee for the teacher.
08-17-2011, 12:21 PM #7
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I agree with the artical... but like imagine said i would be more apt to buy if i knew why... when i grew up it was bring your own... my boys have a ton of paper and pencils and crayons and the such to use if they need it... that is the parents responsibility.. like the post says I have personaly saw this there is parents the say i cant afford the stuff needed but there they are in line at walmart with smokes and cases of soda and chips and drive a brand new (expensive) car and have lots of nice things... but i cant afford a 50cent box of crayons... I personally shop all year for this stuff when i find deals yardsales goodwill etc you can find brand new or alsmost new items for didle... I wont buy a brand new backpack when i bought a jansport one at goodwill for $1 and it still looks like new 6 years later after him using it all through middle and high school... they wear like nothing else they last forever... just toss in the wash and it looks like new again...
there is no excuse...
and the sharing part is fine to a point but seriously no one shares electric with me... they are teaching children to always look for a handout...
sorry this was realy a vent...
08-17-2011, 12:54 PM #8
Great article, thank you for posting it. I am taking my grandson on Friday to get his "grocery list" of supplies. I am paying, because dd and her h cannot afford what the school wants him to bring. They are both very hard working people who just cannot get their heads above water.
What really ticks me off is the fact that dh and I pay school taxes that are astronomical !..The teachers in our area are very well paid and the principals and superintendents are making even more,and they are turning out kids who can't even read!!!
When I was in school, we didn't bring anything. The schools provided everything. Why with all these taxes we are paying are they unable to purchase the supplies ? I do not get it.
And please, teachers, don't get mad at me for writing this. I know most of you are overworked and underpayed. I am just expressing my opinion about my area of the country.
08-17-2011, 12:54 PM #9
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I don't agree. If the government would stop taking away from the schools first to balance the budget then teachers and parents would not have to buy these things. So you brought tissue, pencils and what ever else is needed. Why punish a child because of the parents. They have no say in anything. I brought my grandchildren school stuff. I brought extra just in case. I have a very small income. But then when it comes to a child I will do almost anything to help them. Sometimes it takes more then the parents to raise a child.
I know most people don't see it the way I do. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
08-17-2011, 02:03 PM #10
I don't know where this writer lives..but her list is pretty excessive. I truly don't think it's that way everywhere.
I really get sick of all the complaints every year about buying school supplies. Seriously. These teachers take care of our kids all day.
I will gladly give 3 boxes of Kleenex to the classroom, if it will help a child w/a runny nose and stop the spread of germs.
I will gladly give hand sanitizer for those reasons listed above.
I will gladly give any extra supplies to a child whose parents cannot get them.
I'm all about giving. I'm all about making the year go as smoothly as possible for my child's teacher. I hate the thought of a teacher having to spend their own personal money on items that another parent can dontate.
For crying out loud...you can get crayons, glue, notebooks, folders and pencils for 25 cents or less.
I continually hear of people who can get paper products (like Kleenex) for free or nearly free.
I just don't understand what all the hub-bub is EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.
08-17-2011, 03:02 PM #11
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I am so thankful we no longer have to deal with doing the school's grocery shopping. Nothing irritated me more than when we had to supply the school with several rolls of paper towels, zippy bags, hand sanitizer, soap, toilet paper, tissues, copy paper, miscellaneous cleaning supplies, and on and on and on. I always sent the teacher a box of 200 pencils and a few other school supplies because I wanted to, not because I had to. I have no problem helping with school supply items, paper, pencils, crayons. It is the grocery list of other items that irk me. Especially because we are in one of the largest, most well-funded districts in our state.
Stop paying our superintendent of the county school system over $250K a year, providing her with housing (in an exclusive, gated community that includes a lawn service) and a transportation allowance. Better yet, revoke her contract because she lied on her resume', stating she had her Ph.D (she does not have her Ph.D.) If they are going to pay that kind of money, at least hire someone who knows their rear from a hole in the ground, has some integrity and won't waste the taxpayers' money like she has on some ridiculous, non-essentials. If the school system wants to pay for five principals at each of the 7 high schools, then they can find the money to buy paper towels and toilet paper for the kids. Put a stop to having the school board meeting catered, to the tune of $750 a meeting. Sell the metal detectors in the 7 high schools and 15 junior high schools that have only been used three times in two years. Use the savings from these ideas and buy the teachers some copy paper, hand sanitizer and chalk.
Just an example of the stupidity and waste that goes on in the school district here: DD graduated in May. Not only did she graduate, but she graduated Valedictorian. She was recognized at the school board meeting and given a cash award for her accomplishment. At that meeting she was also recognized for (and had a newspaper article written about her ) being one of the area's top scholarship earners. There is absolutely no doubt she graduated - she is no longer a high school student. Yet, last week I received a big manila envelope in the mail from the school system. It was a four page letter telling me DD could transfer this year to one of the other high schools in the district since the school she was attending failed to make AYP. Are you kidding me? What part of "graduated" did they not get? All they had to do was take a few minutes to update the mailing info of students by removing the names of those who graduated and saved a lot of money by not sending these to those who had graduated.
The letter was not on plain white copy paper. Each page was printed on colored paper (each page a different color). Between the cost of the envelope, postage, paper, ink and manpower to put together this little information packet, I figure the cost of each is at least $1.25. Our school system graduated over 2500 students in May. Sending these packets to students who already graduated was a wasted $3125 - minimum. That sure would have bought a lot of zippy bags, tissues and soap from the dollar tree.
I refuse to deal with the nonsense of the public school system here ever again. DS is in 10th grade at a private school, we are not asked to bring anything and it is wonderful.
Okie-dokie, rant over. I will now step down from my soapbox.
Last edited by Neeley; 08-17-2011 at 03:13 PM.
08-17-2011, 03:25 PM #12
I think most people are happy to give. Most are happy to help a child in need. This weight should not fall on teachers. I think the author's point is when she gets a school supply list with 3 times or 4 times what her own child needs, it raises a red flag as to why so much. Finding out the reason is to share with others that don't bring any would bother me too. It's not the giving to someone in need, it's the way they approach it. Why not let people know there is a need and let them voluntarily donate the school supplies that they want to and are able to?
08-17-2011, 03:33 PM #13
This year I am buying school supplies for a 2nd and 7th grader. All told I am probably spending about $50. This includes a scientific calculator and good quality binder for my 7th grader. I am shopping the penny and .25 sales and stocking up
We have a number of "classroom" supplies to bring: kleenex, ziplocs, baby wipes, paper towels, etc.... but with some smart shopping these aren't excessive and if it keeps the classroom clean and organized I don't have an issue with it. To me it's just part of raising children
For what it's worth my kids attend a smaller private school so I know contributing to the supplies helps keeps tuition costs down. In the public school I remember being shocked the first year when I had picked out supplies for my DD just to have them dumped in a community bin....
08-17-2011, 03:43 PM #14
Neeley's rant is exactly the reason I'd rather give school supplies. If everything was the school's responsibility then they'd have to raise taxes. And who knows what that money would go towards!
At least I know that I'm giving something useful that's not going to waste.
I also feel a tiny bit guilty because my son is under the special education program. Autism specialists aren't free. Neither are OT therapists. The preschool program he's in costs $500 a week, but we pay nothing because he's got an IEP. I mean, I'm glad that all children have access to services free of charge. But we make $120,000 a year and only pay $2700 a year in taxes. On some level I feel guilty about taking so much from the school system. So I always donate socks and underwear around Christmas, and write a check for fundraisers and stuff. And I'm inclined to not worry about school supplies, even if it includes tissues and baby wipes.
08-17-2011, 04:03 PM #15
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Really...on my 2nd grade grandson's list was 24 ELMERS glue sticks. 24??? Really! AND 3 bottles of glue! I spent about 80.00 for two school aged kids (2nd and 5th) That was WITH sales and discounts.
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