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    Default Five years later ...

    I saw this prepper theme on another board. OMG, the concept has completely shifted my focus. Up until now I've been thinking about short term disasters. How will we get through a tornado? A major power outage? A bad economic time? I know there is always the possibility of a long term SHTF scenario but I figured my shorter prep would get me ready for that. I'd use food storage for the first year and plant seeds to harvest for the second year. Easy!

    But think about how would your family be surviving five years out when civilization still hasn't been restored to what we know now.

    Food storage is gone. Tools are starting to wear out. The riots of the early disaster are over and some semblance of equilibrium has been restored. What is your new reality?

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    go on utube and look for prepper nurse. She shows how the population has diminished due to violence,medicines not available,lack of healthcare,expired food,infections,disease outbreaks of diseases that we currently dont worry about. She speaks of rodent and insect overload too.

    We have to have renewable food sources. Most of us live too tightly to grow things prop. We are too close together to proetect ourselves. Ammo runs out too. Our basement would flood from the sump breakdown and the sewer may back up.

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    I would be dead and probably glad for it in that scenario.

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    In that scenario, "stuff" is no good. Food and fuel run out; tools break down. What matters for survival in the long term is what you know, who you know, and what they know.

    No good having a chainsaw if there's no gas. No good having an axe if you can't sharpen it or make a new handle. Can you make a hand-operated sump pump? If not, can you rebuild the house so it doesn't need one? If you can't, do you know someone who can? And do you have some useful skills that you can trade for that service?

    If you do't have the necessary skills, you won't survive.

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    I've come to the conclusions that doctors will be almost useless but chemists will be the ones that save the day. I knew I should have changed my major (actually, I sucked at chemistry).

    Recently someone posted a challenge of growing 50% or more of the foods we eat. That also changed by focus. The first step was I had to figure out what we eat now and from that list, what we can grow ourselves - and if not, what will have to change. Keep in mind, my food storage plan up until now has been - if I need one, buy two. But like the 5-years-later challenge demonstrates, food storage does get used up. How will it be replaced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieLee View Post
    I've come to the conclusions that doctors will be almost useless but chemists will be the ones that save the day. I knew I should have changed my major (actually, I sucked at chemistry).

    Recently someone posted a challenge of growing 50% or more of the foods we eat. That also changed by focus. The first step was I had to figure out what we eat now and from that list, what we can grow ourselves - and if not, what will have to change. Keep in mind, my food storage plan up until now has been - if I need one, buy two. But like the 5-years-later challenge demonstrates, food storage does get used up. How will it be replaced?

    Ive been reading/ belong to the same the forum you talk about..I actually commented on the growing 50% or more of your own food..I think most of will die off..Most have no clue how to raise their own food..I try to learn a new skill and plant more edibles every year..My family know's how to hunt,trap,fish,prepare and sell the skins..know what wild edibles are in your area,learn to can water bath can,dehydrate..can some food every week if funds are available..home canned food has a long term shelf life ( easily past the 5-yr mark)grow medicinal plants..plant a herb & mint garden..plant anything that is a (edible) perennial now..make sure you have the knowledge by buying books..I could go on and on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithBC View Post
    In that scenario, "stuff" is no good. Food and fuel run out; tools break down. What matters for survival in the long term is what you know, who you know, and what they know.

    No good having a chainsaw if there's no gas. No good having an axe if you can't sharpen it or make a new handle. Can you make a hand-operated sump pump? If not, can you rebuild the house so it doesn't need one? If you can't, do you know someone who can? And do you have some useful skills that you can trade for that service?

    If you do't have the necessary skills, you won't survive.
    I agree with you Keith, but lets talk about the inevitable.

    You can only store and do so much and short of having a fortified fortress, you can and most likely will, have to defend that when people who are starving come for a visit.

    You've surely seen the prepper shows where the guy has a tank type battering ram. Once his family runs out of food, and making the assumption he still has gas or guns, he'll do what any guy would do. Get food for his family at any cost, including stealing and killing for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithBC View Post
    In that scenario, "stuff" is no good. Food and fuel run out; tools break down. What matters for survival in the long term is what you know, who you know, and what they know.

    No good having a chainsaw if there's no gas. No good having an axe if you can't sharpen it or make a new handle. Can you make a hand-operated sump pump? If not, can you rebuild the house so it doesn't need one? If you can't, do you know someone who can? And do you have some useful skills that you can trade for that service?

    If you do't have the necessary skills, you won't survive.
    I agree 100%! I'm fortunate that I have a husband and family with skills and lots of knowledge..
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    Apocalypse scenarios are kind of interesting and fun. I think initially you need to know how to fight and be willing to kill. We only have a couple of guns so we would need to really strike first and fast. We can both fight pretty good and we're strong as mules, so that is a benefit.

    And then, you would need to come up with a plan. We are both PM's, so we are gold. Not every scenario would be the same. Can you go outside? Can you plant crops? Do you need a fence to protect yourselves and if so, from whom? Are your neighbors all dead? Do you need to start raiding their homes for supplies?

    Should we move long-term and if so, where? We both work at the military base so should we go there? Should we raid the Target. haha

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    Who needs a tank ... we've got Darryl .. and Lizzie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giro View Post
    Apocalypse scenarios are kind of interesting and fun. I think initially you need to know how to fight and be willing to kill. We only have a couple of guns so we would need to really strike first and fast. We can both fight pretty good and we're strong as mules, so that is a benefit.

    And then, you would need to come up with a plan. We are both PM's, so we are gold. Not every scenario would be the same. Can you go outside? Can you plant crops? Do you need a fence to protect yourselves and if so, from whom? Are your neighbors all dead? Do you need to start raiding their homes for supplies?

    Should we move long-term and if so, where? We both work at the military base so should we go there? Should we raid the Target. haha

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    Bumping ...I really want to know what PM's are Giro? Does it mean prior military?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    I agree with you Keith,
    I'm not sure you do. You are still talking about the store-and-defend scenario.
    You can only store and do so much and short of having a fortified fortress, you can and most likely will, have to defend that when people who are starving come for a visit.
    My point was that storing stuff isn't a long-term solution. We have enough supplies on hand to last out a blizzard or hurricane, but we're not even trying to last out the SHTF end of civilization. No point. I have nothing to defend, hence no need for anything to defend it with.
    You've surely seen the prepper shows where the guy has a tank type battering ram.
    Nope. I don't have a telly, and it doesn't sound like the kind of show I'd want to watch anyway.

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    It just means program or project manager. I am not military.

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    If I thought about survival in the kind of world talked about here, I would lose sleep. If ever we have that kind of scenario, I pray the Lord takes me. I have no desire to fight, defend, and hoard just to survive.
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