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Sometimes you have to believe that politics alone, are not the only reason we are in an economic mess. The people in general are too dumb for democracy!

Let's try to keep politics out of this duscussion, and stay on the subject of why most of our poulation may be too dumb for a domocracy to thrive! I dont think we are all that dumb, just so many, that it cancels out the smart ones!

Scientists say America is too dumb for democracy to thrive | Politics Blog | an SFGate.com blog
 

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Won't convince me on the "stupidity" issue..........

I vote for APATHY...........on more than just politics!!

Apathy also plays in to the need to EDUCATE YOURSELF.
 

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I agree, our population has the intelligence to make sound decisions, they just chose not to.

Unfortunately, this is a learned behavior and it's only going to get worse, I fear....
 

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Apathy and other factors have caused this. Its like the dog laying on the nail moaning-doesn't hurt bad enough to get up but hurts bad enough to cry about it. I think cheap energy is another contributing factor.
 

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I think Amercans are spoiled little brats, and are too lazy to get knuckle down and do what is right. There are too many lazy people leeching society by sapping welfare and free benefits for this country to ever really pull out of the slump.
The very people of the US in some respects are shooting themselves in the foot by being lazy and worthless!
 

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On the one hand, I agree with what was stated. However, on the other hand, I also believe that a person's perspective might skew their own opinions and choices.

I believe the majority of people live up to other's expectations of them.

If they are told over and over and over again, "Don't try to understand this, it's over your head. I'll make the right choice on your behalf." Then, eventually, they begin to drink the koolaid, shrug their shoulders and say, "Oh well, I just don't understand it. Somebody up there will know what should be done."

So we as a nation become a populace that has those in office doing for us, rather than doing what we want them to because a lot of people just don't feel up to researching the issues at hand and can't make up their minds what they want.

I think they call that the "Nanny State"? Where people are as dumb as rocks (from some people's perspective) that they need someone to look out for them?

Oh, I know it has another definition, but that's at least one aspect of it.

Another aspect is not being able to trust whether they have accurate information in order to make an informed choice. After a while, a lot of people just assume that no matter what they are told, it's all a lie anyway so they shouldn't make a choice based upon the information.

When some people see a pile of manure, they say, "I know there has to be a pony in there somewhere!" and they start digging.

Others see a pile of manure and they hold their noses and turn away and hope that somebody comes and cleans it up.

I've also seen people become like children who have been abused for a long long time. It's learned helplessness. When they become adults, they don't learn that things have changed they just go on believing they are powerless to do anything about their lives.

We the people, have been signed up for an experiment that started out great. But a lot of people today feel like rats in a cage and there is no way out.

America's State of Mind | Report: 1 in 5 American Adults Takes Mental Health Drugs | Healthland | TIME.com

So one in five Americans can't cope or have some real problems that keep them from being able to fully function without medication. Even then, their medical condition may not be solved with medications.

It may just be that some people are just trying to survive and they could care less what's going on up on the hill. They are just trying to make it through today.

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Sometimes you have to believe that politics alone, are not the only reason we are in an economic mess. The people in general are too dumb for democracy!

Let's try to keep politics out of this duscussion, and stay on the subject of why most of our poulation may be too dumb for a domocracy to thrive! I dont think we are all that dumb, just so many, that it cancels out the smart ones!

Scientists say America is too dumb for democracy to thrive | Politics Blog | an SFGate.com blog
Ya know! I tend to try to give people the benefit of the doubt and it will probably get me shot one day...but I think that article may be right. Some people ARE too dumb for democracy!

Thank God I don't have to rely upon them when the SHTF!

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That's not really a new idea. Many of the world's great thinkers have thought that democracy is not likely doing what's best for a society. When a level-headed, ethical, "intelligent" person's vote counts for as much as one from an egotistical, ignorant, petty thief, no one will win.

On a related note, has anyone seen the movie "Idiocracy"? It's funny, but sadly I fear it's not too far off the mark.
 

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low-1 UH just my fav movie~!

Although I just watched "Detachment" and thats the word. Not dumb. ignorant. isolated.
Our society is suffering from detachment.
-from each other
-from ourselves
-from reality
 

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Detached...that's pretty accurate.
 

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Modern society has promoted detachment. Everybody builds their own little life, in their own little world, and forgets how much we really depend on each other as a whole!
Now someday, when we will all need to depend on each other, ( like a SHTF scenario ), it will be impossible for us to ban together as we once could many years ago.
We have as a whole, became a bunch of self serving spoiled rotten kids that think we will never need anybody but ourselves.
Sometimes I honestly think that a global SHTF would be good for mankind, and would remind us of how important we really can be to each other.
 

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Modern society has promoted detachment.
Its funny I was thinking about this the other day. What about the indirect effects of this? People are depressed, lonely etc. Would it still be this way? I think our lives could be so much better without this consumerist lifestyle and everyone being closer. Less misunderstandings and more empathy towards one another. Im all for capitalism and keeping the government out of our daily lives. On a personal level though how much is too much?
 

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By keeping us detached, we are inherently depressed and isolated from others. This directly leads to the desire to consume more to try to fill the hole. Don't kid yourself, it's an engineered cycle designed to create wealth for the few at the cost of the many.

Once you see it fully, and really understand it, it sickens you, but you are able to step away from it and go back to what really matters.

Big new TV that last for 1-2 years before it breaks (or much sooner until the "better" one comes out), or happy memories with friends and family?
 

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By keeping us detached, we are inherently depressed and isolated from others. This directly leads to the desire to consume more to try to fill the hole. Don't kid yourself, it's an engineered cycle designed to create wealth for the few at the cost of the many.

Once you see it fully, and really understand it, it sickens you, but you are able to step away from it and go back to what really matters.

Big new TV that last for 1-2 years before it breaks (or much sooner until the "better" one comes out), or happy memories with friends and family?
I would like to point out that not everyone HAS the happy memories with friends and family, thus making commercialism even more appealing. Sometimes isolation feels better than dealing with people, throw in some commercialism and materialism and its like a kid eating sugar to his hearts desire. He's happy as his teeth rot. Try to tell the kid his teeth are going to rot wont help until he finds something better than that sugar. Just my own thoughts.
 

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It's too bad that mankind has become so isolated, and even more sad that it can only get worse before it gets better! But I do agree with something said above. Isolation is easier than dealing with the mass stupidity of most people!
 

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Isolation is easier than dealing with the mass stupidity of most people!
Why do people buy into the idea that "easier" is better? Yes, isolation is easier, but the consensus on this thread appears to be that it isn't better. So why do it?

If cooperation is better, and since it seems that cooperation will be essential in a SHTF scenario, why aren't people setting up cooperatively now while things are still relatively good and we can make choices? Why aren't more people meeting their neighbours and learning to trust them?

Granted, there are constraints of employment. Not everyone can move to a small rural village. But if we practise isolationism now and prepare to repel all comers when the S does HTF, it will be too late to learn cooperation when we need it the most.
 

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A pure democracy yes, people would quickly vote for whatever they thought benefited them.

Which is why we don't have a democracy in this nation, we have a democratically elected body of representatives who are (arguably) restricted in what they can do by the Constitution.

You'd think the scientists - or at least the editor who wrote this - would be smart enough to realize that fact.

But then again, since what this piece comes off to me as is nothing more than a thinly veiled cry for an elitist system of Government run by academics, I can't be terribly surprised... ;) It did say RIGHT THERE that the incompetent tend to develop an air of superiority, after all...
 

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A pure democracy yes, people would quickly vote for whatever they thought benefited them.

Which is why we don't have a democracy in this nation, we have a democratically elected body of representatives who are (arguably) restricted in what they can do by the Constitution.

You'd think the scientists - or at least the editor who wrote this - would be smart enough to realize that fact.

But then again, since what this piece comes off to me as is nothing more than a thinly veiled cry for an elitist system of Government run by academics, I can't be terribly surprised... ;) It did say RIGHT THERE that the incompetent tend to develop an air of superiority, after all...
But to me it also addressed the people inability to determine or recognise a good plan, so we the people are largely incompitent to as much as vote correctly when a good plan presents itself.
I feel it is aimed more at the voters than the polititions in this case.
I honestly feel that the government is totally hosed up, and the people are too stupid to straighten them out. So it is in a runaway condition, and will only change when a total government / economic collapse makes changes necessary for this country to even survive.
 
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