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WAR OVER OIL (Crawford Texas Paper)
Conservative Republican Insider Says
Afghanistan Oil Pipeline
Basis Of 9-11 Hidden Agenda
Calls 9-11 A Preemptive Strike Against United States
By Nathan Diebenow
and W. Leon Smith

CRAWFORD — He calls himself a conservative Republican, a brand that
has defined him for the past 24 years at both the Arkansas and the
Republican National Committee levels. After extensive research into
the events that led to 9/11, Karl W.B. Schwarz, 53, has penned a book,
"One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas — A Conservative Republican Speaks
Out," that in 832 pages details a massive governmental cover-up and
explains the backdrop of what led to the war in Iraq.
In his book, Schwarz explains that prior to June 26, 2001, "the Bush
Administration put India and Iran on notice that he intended to use
military force to attack and remove the Taliban from power." The
reasoning, according to Schwarz, was an attempt to "bully the Taliban
into letting Unocal and those Saudi partners that have apparently been
financing terrorism" to have the Trans-Caspian pipeline across
Schwarz asks: "Did we just get preemptively attacked and they do not
want us to know that? Or, did we attack ourselves so the attack on the
Taliban was justified so Bush Buddies could get their oil deals and
oil pipelines?"
The author says that Americans were kept in the dark.
"Can anyone recall any of them telling us about that $7.34 trillion
oil deal or that pipeline that was so desperately needed? No?" said
In his book, Schwarz talks about the FBI's lack of interest in
capturing certain terrorists, the Administration's propensity to act
in secrecy and keep Americans in the dark, America's poising itself
for another attack, and contracts that make the rich richer and the
poor poorer.
Schwarz provides substantial documentation about behind-the-scenes
meetings and the "financial terrorists" who stand to gain as they
worship the exploitation of oil.
"What I see is a nightmare that is slowly developing into a complete
undermining of all I hold dear about this nation," says Schwarz,
speaking of those entrenched in the neo-conservative movement. "I am
watching subrogation of power to the whims of wantonly greedy people
and in that, a subjugation of the citizens of my nation."
Schwarz, an architect by training, has extensive experience in
investment banking, workouts, and advanced technology. He is the
chairman CEO of COMMAXXESS, Inc. and I-nets Security Systems, Inc. He
is also president CEO of a major nanotechnologies company currently
planning the installation of major production facilities in Europe,
Canada, and the United States.
A devout Christian, he is founder/CEO of multiple high technology
companies involved in biomedicine, nanotechnology, photonics, hydrogen
fuel cells, antiterrorism, UAV, carbon and boron nono-composites made
possible by carbon nanotube breakthroughs, hyperspectral systems, and
video search Knowledge Management software.
He writes in his book, "We have a President and Vice President with
`oil on their brain' to the extent they virtually let the oil industry
(major campaign contributors) write the Bush Energy Policy. Never have
I seen such a shameful display of pandering to the detriment of us
all, and from that policy emerged a War Plan and a War Policy to
pursue that greed and lust for power to absurd proportions.
"They do not want us to know what that Energy Task Force meeting was
about, but within months we suffered 9/11, we attacked Afghanistan in
an already `pre-packaged war plan' and by February 2002 that big,
essential unbilical cord pipeline they had to have to give birth to
their Oil Kingdom in the Caspian is back in business.
"They do not want us to know about 9/11, and my instincts now say that
is because they know we will see the truth and the public outrage will
rise like never before in this land. This Bush Administration fears
the American people and what their reactions will be when they come to
know the truth. I now believe that is the underlying agenda of the
Patriot Act, so that they may put down dissent from an outraged nation
where we can all be defined as `Al Qaeda terrorist.'"
According to Schwarz, any benefits from the tax cuts provided by the
Administration are wiped out with the cost that families and business
must bear in fuel cost increases, whereby ultimately these tax cut
revenues are going to oil interests as they plunder the nation.
After coming to the conclusion that soundbites that have been
broadcast by the major news media simply have not added up, Schwarz
began investigating in 2003 and was inundated with tips and
information from investigators throughout the world who had the same
"It is all around me and here I am in the center with information," he
says in the book. "I am not afraid of Al Qaeda. I am afraid of who is
behind all of this and why.
"I am becoming more convinced every day that God has me right here,
right now for a reason. I can honestly say that I do not enjoy it nor
do I like it. I not only know bits and pieces, I know many things that
are missing pieces and facts from different directions that all lead
and point to the center. A center that is a rotten core that no true
American would take pride in or support."
During an hour-long exclusive interview the day after President Bush's
The State of the Union Address with Iconoclast writer Nathan Diebenow,
Schwarz encouraged Americans to snap out of the "Bush Mythology
Bubble" and take a hard look at what is really going on in the nation.
"I did not like what I found," he said. "You will not either, if you
take the time to know the truth."
Part 6 of Schwarz's "Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble" series is
currently available on Online Journal
as well as his demand letter to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan.


ICONOCLAST: Let's start with your background. Where did you go to
school? College?

SCHWARZ: University of Arkansas Architecture Department. I didn't
graduate. I went there from 1969-1972, going to school there
year-round. I got my license in the early 1980s. They had what they
called the "equivalency" where you worked two years for every year
your didn't go to school, so it's a little bit longer to get your
license. I got my license in 1981.

ICONOCLAST: Can you tell me about your nanotechnology business? How
did you get started with that?

SCHWARZ: I was an arm's length affiliated with Smith & Barney for
about four years. What I did was find (special) properties and
renegotiate the lease to get a higher credit rating, to get a lower
financing rate, and what I would do is take that in and Smith & Barney
would underwrite it all so I had the right to bid on some of them
myself, and I did. After I left there, I teamed up with UUnet as their
only global VAR (value added reseller). We were already involved in
the R&D work before what they call "long-haul transmission" services
to where you could go 3,000 km without a repeater. You could send
signals a long way and we were also engaged in photonics. It was out
of the photonics that we involved in nanotechnologies.

ICONOCLAST: Moving into politics, how was your political opinion
shaped over time?

SCHWARZ: Well, let me see. By virtue of marriage, I had a stepfather
who come into my life when I was 12. One of his uncles was Wilber D.
Mills, a conservative Democrat from the state of Arkansas, who served
1939-1977 and wound up one of the most powerful people to ever
Chairman the House Ways & Means Committee. Uncle Wilber is what we
called him.
I am a conservative Democrat in my original votes. For example, I
didn't like Lyndon Johnson. He was too liberal for me. I definitely
didn't like Dick Nixon. I wasn't really sure about Jimmy Carter, but
about 1978-79, I started taking a real, hard look at what the
Democrats stood for, where they were trying to take the party, and it
was to me way too much of a affirmative action, you know, people
having entitlements, and things I didn't see in the Constitution.
I think people ought to work their way up as I say sometimes when I
give speeches, "Equity is built through effort, and time is not built
through the stroke of a pen." You know, there's a lot of people in our
society that have gotten themselves ingrained in their minds, that
everything has to be a matter of expediency, how fast they can make a
million or a billion. That's not what it's all about. So I became a
Republican in 1980 because of Bill Clinton.

ICONOCLAST: Because he was moving up in Arkansas at the time?

SCHWARZ: Yeah, and now, thanks to George Bush, I'm an independent. I
mean, I have completely pulled out of the RNC. They are not
representative of what I consider the majority of the values of the
people of this nation. In fact I can talk to you for hours about why I
view the "Contract with America" was a contract on America. I think
they have done a masterful job of packaging it and selling it. They've
got to keep it simple. They've got to keep it down to quote "moral
issues" and "lower taxes."
But at the same time, (the RNC) is fundamentally a sellout to big
corporatization of our government. And I don't agree with that because
corporatization of our government is teetering right on the edges of
fascism. And I think if you look at the Bush administration, you'll
see a lot of elements of fascism, intolerance, shouting people down,
stomping people down, and justifications of any type of wacky policies.
What I wrote about in my book, I met Birdas Corporation, and that's a
corporation that most Americans are not aware of. They need to be
aware of it. Birdas is based in Argentina because of the break up of
the Soviet Union. They started back in 1990-91, long before we were
able to tread on those countries over there and even visit them. They
went over there and started cutting deals with the Turkmenistan
government, with the Bhutto government in Pakistan, and ultimately
with the Taliban (in Afghanistan).
Their goal was they signed two big leases in 1992-93 for oil and gas
reserves in Turkmenistan. Then, just like we're doing right now, they
realized they had to have a pipeline to get it to the ocean. So they
commenced negotiations and cut a deal with Turkmenistan, cut it with
Pakistan, and then cut it with the Taliban in that order, and
basically influenced people in big oil companies from our government
through the George Herbert Walker Bush administration, the Clinton
administration, and now the Bush administration, and have done
everything humanly possible to take that pipeline away from them. And
they have now done it. On 9/11, the only remaining obstacle was the
Taliban-Birdas Corporation contracts.
Now I met these people in a telecom conference in 1999, and here's
what they told me. They told me about the big lawsuit, $15 billion for
interference of contracts against Turkmenistan-Unocal.

ICONOCLAST: Who is the "they?"

SCHWARZ: Birdas. Birdas got jerked around in the southern district of
Texas for years. Back in 1998, there was a judge that threw their case
out. He said, "This is Turkmenistan law. This isn't U.S. law." That
kind of stuff. And they took it to the ICC, and got the ruling in
their favor, but they still had to fight their way through court.
On Sept. 9, 2003, well after 9/11, after we had attacked Afghanistan,
Birdas won the lawsuit in the 5th Circuit. What they won was a half a
billion dollar judgment. U.S. courts don't just hand out judgments for
fun and games. They hand out judgments to what you'd call "wronged
parties," but when you understand the dynamics of what they did to
Birdas, they undercut them in Turkmenistan which is what you'd call
the well head. That's the commencing point of that pipeline, that we
now control.
I've been convinced since 9/11 happened that 9/11 was a staged Pearl
Harbor, that these people have gone out there and waged war. They have
killed the truth to take over a business deal that they couldn't
otherwise get done through a commercialized transaction.

ICONOCLAST: So in your opinion, was Osama bin Ladin in on this at all?

SCHWARZ: I don't think he was involved at all. And the reason I don't
think he was involved is Part 6 of my Bush Mythology Bubble series on
Online Journal. The Part 6 article is about a post 9/11 payoff flight
that left within six to eight hours after 9/11 happened with a very
large amount of cash. There was a post-9/11 payoff made. We know
somebody who was on that flight. We were able to track him down, and
now he's dead. He's no longer with us.

ICONOCLAST: Who was that?

SCHWARZ: Well, you'll see in the next article. When the next article
breaks, you'll know his name, and you can follow the trail from there.
This next article, Part 6, is called "Pop Goes the Bush Mythology." In
fact. If you go to Online Journal right now, Part 5 is posted. Down at
the bottom the page, we've got the links from Parts 1 through 4.
Part 6 is going to coincide with a letter that I'm going to be sending
(soon) that is going to Kofi Annan of the United Nations. It will be
CCed by FedEx to Rumsfeld, Bush, the FBI, Interpol, and others like
The Washington Post, Washington Times, New York Times, LA Times. Then
about 300,000 people are going to get this as an email link. The
"demand letter" to Kofi Annan will be posted on my website. People are
going to start shaking their heads. They're going to go, "What is
really going on here?"

ICONOCLAST: When did you find out about this stuff? When did you start
putting the pieces together and start figuring this out?

SCHWARZ: Actually, March of 2001. There were two things. I had already
met with Birdas. I knew what was going on with them. I had been
tracking that lawsuit in Texas since 1999. It was in the southern
district in Texas, down in Houston. In 2002, it went to the 5th
circuit U.S. Court of Appeals. They won on Sept. 9, 2003. Turkmenistan
appealed it to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court ruled against
them on March 22, 2004. They refused to hear the appeal. You can look
it up at the 5th Circuit as Bridas SAPIC v. Government of
Turkmenistan, et al., No, 02-20929, 5th Cir. The case at the Supreme
Court was called case No.031018 - Turkmenistan v. Birdas/Sapice.
And the payoff flight I'm referring to went to the northern part of

ICONOCLAST: What started your fascination with this case?

SCHWARZ: I thought it was odd that our government was over there
trying to bust an Argentinian company out of the deal instead of
trying to renegotiate with them. You see joint ventures all the time
between big oil companies because of the cost of development, the
pipelines, loading terminals, and stuff like that.
I just thought it was really strange how abusive the Bush family and
our government under the Clinton administration was toward an
Argentinian company. Argentina is supposedly an ally. So I watched it
really close, but then after I left UUnet in 2000, I started focusing
on a different business plan. It was real obvious to me that a lot of
those telecoms were going to fail. The reason (the telecoms failed)
was that between 1997 and 2000, Wall Street and our capital markets
and also the European capital markets created 3,400 ISPs, IPS,
telecoms, wireless, etc. Way too many competitors. There had to be a
failure point in there. I've got a lot of friends on Wall Street, and
when I found out that they had issued $672 billion worth of high yield
debt, and they expected 65-80 percent failure rate, I started saying,
"Hell, telecoms are going to be cheap."
So I started putting together investors and we went to the bankruptcy
courts. I was the high bidder on Viatel, E-Bone, Williams
Communication, and Global Crossing and have nothing to show for it,
except a million dollars in legal fees and travel expenses. Now when
creditors in a bankruptcy turn down the high bid, but the high bid is
subject to due diligency, and you cut through the fraud and get that
out of the way of the business operations? You begin to suspect
they're hiding something.
Well, it was in March 2001 that we found out what they were hiding.
And from that point forward, this whole story has taken on a whole new
complexion. 9/11 was kind of a ping on the radar. Some of the people
we found that were involved in the melting down of U.S. companies are
the same people that Sibel Edmonds found as being directly involved in
the financing the execution of 9/11. That's when things started going
ping, okay?
I'll give you a perfect example. The president's speech last night,
what are they all talking about this morning?

ICONOCLAST: The two women embracing.

SCHWARZ: Well, that and our white knight is going to save Social
Security. In chapter 16 of my book, there is a policy paper that I did
in conjunction with a gentleman that lives in Houston who knows the
Bushes. It was hand delivered to George Bush at the White House. It
was send by FedEx and email to (Sen. Bill) Frist, (Rep. Dennis)
Hastert, and (Rep. Tom) Delay, and they have never responded back to
it. What they are trying to do is set the stage to where the capital
markets can literally steal most of the additional $60-90 billion a
year because they're not willing to close certain loopholes that make
the debt legal under code of law. The same thing we discovered in
March 2001 is still there. It's how they are executing transfer of
wealth schemes. Now they want to plunder the SS.

ICONOCLAST: So what you're saying is that now that they've plundered
the capital markets, they're going after Social Security?

SCHWARZ: Right, they've already done it to the steel industry, the
telecoms, the ISPs, the wireless companies. Hell, even Samsonite. I
mean, I could show you a nightmare regarding Samsonite, of all things.
What is there in luggage that's worth $500 million worth of theft?
But these people are plundering the investor markets, and what's
happened is that they've been so egregious in their conduct that, you
know, they can't even begin to get people to open up those checkbooks
any more. Now they want people investing into SS because that is your
nest egg. But they have changed certain things in our laws regarding
stock fraud, RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations)
Act, truth in advertising, you know, when they file their FCC
statements. I mean, you can basically say, "Hey, I'm an ISP, and I
know how to deliver sex to you over the IP. Blah blah blah." And you
can sit there and make the most egregious comments in the world about
what you can do over fiber optic and down at the bottom, if you put a
disclaimer, you haven't done anything wrong. You just tell your
people, "Oh, due to this is a miraculous breakthrough, we're going to
quadruple our revenues next year. And our payout to you shareholders
is going to quadruple." People buy that.
But what they've also done is made bankruptcy laws to where
shareholders have no rights. That changed in 1994. It started under
George W.'s father, and they finally got it pushed through under
Clinton. They are using our bankruptcy courts as a haven for fraud.
That's where I've been squared off with them since 2000.
When I hear George Bush utter the words "rule of law" and I know that
his buddies are melting a lot of these companies down and taking them
away from the shareholders, I just want to gag.

ICONOCLAST: This is interesting to me because this is the first time
I've heard a CEO of any company coming out against Bush and his crew.

SCHWARZ: It is literally a form of organized crime that is being
condoned, sponsored, and aided by our government. I mean, I'm the kind
of guy, 53 years old, that thinks everybody has the right to the
American Dream. These people don't want it that way. They get the
American Dream. You get the shaft. And what they've done is spend
years and millions of dollars, power lunches, and policy changes to
try to turn everything over to where antitrust doesn't matter anymore,
ultimate corporate power is where it's headed, and the rest of us are
just a cash crop. We've got a government that is aiding and abetting
every step of the way, even to the point of changing the laws so you
and I don't have a defense against it.

ICONOCLAST: Right. Like with class action lawsuits against asbestos.
Bush was talking about that in his State of the Union Address.

SCHWARZ: And did you see the smirk on Cheney's face when he said that?
Go back and look at that.

ICONOCLAST: Yeah, I think I saw that.

SCHWARZ: Cheney's sitting back there getting every policy change he
wants. And notice he didn't bring up, "Oh, by the way, we were going
to do reconstruction of Iraq to the tune of $18.6 billion and $9
billion of it is missing." I mean, that's almost 50 percent of the
Treasury gone.
I think it's time that people got aware of what the hell is really
going on. They don't have any "construction crews" in Iraq. That money
was for privatizing the Iraqi assets in the hands of Bush's backers
and that money is going to do rehab work on those assets so that they
can have pristine new assets. In other words, Bush's "Pioneers" are
going to own Iraq's northern electric grid, for instance. That money
is not going into reconstruction to benefit Iraqis. It's going to
benefit Bush's buddies who are going to own all the resources: the oil
and gas companies, the refineries, the oil fields, the electrical
generation plants, the water supply, the cable systems, the wireless
systems ... They are basically over there nationalizing Iraq as the
51st state.
Turn it around. Okay, you're in Texas, right? What would you do if the
Iraqis, the Venezuelans, or even the Mexicans came charging into
Crawford, Texas, and took over your entire infrastructure, and they
were your new overlords? Would you fight back? What if they came out
to your house and threw you out of your house because one of their
buddies liked your house? Would you fight back? There's a difference
between a terrorist insurgence and a patriot that says, "Get out of my

ICONOCLAST: How is anything going to change?

SCHWARZ: Well, what we're trying to show is that there are
alternatives. We're putting a different plan on the table. In chapter
16, I say that none of the Republicans or the Democrats stood up for
you or me over what that paper was about. You'll understand that we've
been sold out. Chapter 17 is titled "What we can do to clean up W's
mess." It's a very tongue and cheek political proposal about here's
what we need to do to fix some of these problems. It's written with
sense of humor.

ICONOCLAST: Give me an example of an alternative, a part of the plan.

SCHWARZ: Like Social Security. Social Security was never intended to
be an entitlement for every American to receive a check every month.
It was intended to be a safety net for those Americans who were less
fortunate than others. We have billionaires who are getting checks
from Social Security. That needs to stop. They don't need it. All they
are doing is putting a constant drain (on the system).
"Well," a lot of people say, "they paid into it. It's fair that they
get it back." It's also fair that don't take it and treat it as an act
of benevolence. If they are going to sit there and donate a million
dollars to their church as an act of kindness, they can make sure they
don't take that from the Treasury because all they're doing is putting
that debt on everybody else.

ICONOCLAST: But don't you pay into the system if your income is over a
certain amount?

SCHWARZ: There are caps. I mean, someone like Bill Gates only pays so
much a year into it, and everything above that, there are caps. But
there's no reason in the world that somebody's got to get millions and
millions of dollars a year in their retirement years just by coupon
clipping. Those folks are not the kinds of folks who want or need
Social Security nor are they the types of people Social Security was
designed to protect. What they've done over time is they've filtered
into their mind, "Well, that's my money. I paid into it." That's not
how they are running the system. What they take in from you and me
today, they are paying out to people who are retired today. There's no
money in the bank that these people have in savings accounts somewhere.
The other thing we're going to start selling hard is the concept of
what is a political issue and what isn't. To me, abortion is a moral
choice. It takes way too much of our political discussion in this
country. That's between the person and God. It's not for you and me to
tell that person what to do. Even as a Christian, I don't see anything
inconsistent in that.
As the Bible says, "Judge not lest ye be judged." It's none of my
business what you do. Another thing I'm trying to get across to you
progressive types is "your rights end where mine begin. Quit assuming
where mine begin." And they go, "What do you mean by that?" So I tell
them. All the way across the board, like this whole thing with gay
marriage. I'm not for gay marriage, but on the other token, if someone
is dying in the hospital or has to have surgery, there are a lot of
hospitals that won't let the gay partner in to be with the person they
care about because "he's not family." That to me is being a little too
(harsh) about it. What they've done is try to cast this out that the
Republican Party stands for goodness, family values, moral values,
lower taxes, and tell you what, there's a whole lot more than that. We
have some serious financial problems out here. This country is being
plundered by an elite few that really need to be reigned in.

ICONOCLAST: How do you do that? How do you reign them in?

SCHWARZ: One, rule of law means something for everybody, not just a
few of us. There are people in this country who are above the law.
That doesn't need to be tolerated at all. If you don't believe me,
just take a look at Dennis Kozlowski or Bernie Ebbers, people who have
plundered hundreds of millions — billions of dollars — from people,
and got off scot free.
One of the things — I got a phone call from Austin, Texas, from
someone reported to be a senior aid to Karen Hughes on the same day
Birdas won down in New Orleans, Sept. 9, 2003. The phone call was
about Global Crossing. When you read chapter 14 of my book, there's a
taped transcript of that conversation. You'll see what I'm talking
about, to what extent certain people are above the law and who we come
across that were plundering a lot of these companies. It was Tom
Hicks, John Mews, Richard Rainwater, Sid Bass. Those all tie right
back to the Bush family. And she (the person on the phone) wanted to
know, "And you're telling me, you're going to file a RICO against a
couple of the president's friends?" And I said, "That's exactly what
I'm telling you." Grab this. It was Priscilla Owen.

ICONOCLAST: Who is that?

SCHWARZ: She's what most people in Texas consider that wacko Supreme
Court judge tried to nominate in the 5th Circuit. Two years later, she
still hasn't been confirmed.

ICONOCLAST: So let's move on a little bit. How is the book effected
your business?

SCHWARZ: Actually, business is way up.

ICONOCLAST: Because of the book?

SCHWARZ: Even at the federal level.

ICONOCLAST: Are they just not aware of the book?

SCHWARZ: Oh, they are very, very aware of the book. They are very
aware of my stance. There's a lot of them. You'd be amazed. Federal
employees tune in every time I'm on the radio. (Laughs)

ICONOCLAST: Really? (Laughs) So the federal employees are handling
your papers a little more swiftly. (Laughs)

SCHWARZ: Uh, yeah, well, what is happening here is that we have
factions within our government like there are factions in our town.
There are good people, people who are "red, white, blue American," and
then you got people who are just so greedy they need to be run out. I
mean, they're like a cancer. What's going on even within our
government is a lot of people who have figured this out, and they know
that sooner or later that right will prevail.
I've been just handing (my five "Pop Goes the Bush Mythology Bubble"
articles) to them, and the funny thing is that they don't call me.
They don't come after me. They run from me. They know to what extent
we have been all over their butts. And when I say "we," they know I
have got investigators on three continents digging into this. We
actually put people in March 2000-01 inside trading operations who sit
there and watch these people do this to figure out which way they were
going with their money.
When I was focused on trying to buy Global Crossing and Williams
Communications, I had an investigator send me a FedEx package saying,
"Carl, what the hell does this have to do with Turkmenistan?" And I'm
like, "You know, I don't know, and I don't care. I'm trying to be the
highest bidder on Global Crossing." It was after all that stuff. They
pushed us aside and went with the lowest bid instead of the highest
bid, but they went with somebody with no due diligence, you know,
which was to cover up this crime. That was when we started going back
and started looking through all these other documents, and I'm going,
"Holy cow! So that's where that money went." We were following those
I think everybody in America ought to know who Sibel Edmonds is. You
know who she is? She's the FBI whistleblower, and here's what she
found. Here's why she has a gag order against her. She found drug
trafficing, money laundering, foreign names, and American names
involved in the planning, financing, and execution of 9/11. We haven't
been told that Americans were involved in 9/11. I think every American
needs to know that. Once you understand that lie and a lot of other
things, like maybe that's why all the Democrats are just rolling over
when it comes to the Patriot Act which is gutting the Constitution,
you'll ask, "Do they want it that way? Maybe somebody wants us to be
living in a police state?"
I don't know if you heard this, but I've heard from three women I know
that got groped by a male TSA worker when they were flying over the
holidays. And as God is my witness, if one of those guys gropes my
woman, I'll knock his ass out. So guess what. You're not al-Queda, and
neither am I! And to treat us all like we're al-Queda suspects,
shaking us down, and trying to push us to where these changes in our
life-style are just how it's going to be? To get used to it? I don't
think so.

ICONOCLAST: So why are the Democrats just lying around, not doing

SCHWARZ: Because their wealthy elite masters are telling them not to.
Once you get up at this level, REP and DEM get substituted by dollar
signs every time. These people are total chameleons when it comes to
truth, political ideology. All they care about is who gets to plunder,
about how much they get to plunder. They've wired themselves to the
U.S. Treasury. They want it that way. They want it so they can steal
from you in the capital markets. They can overcharge you for gasoline
or cable or whatever, and there's nothing you can do about it. That's
when I started saying, "You know what? Either this is going to change,
or I'm leaving."

ICONOCLAST: So how has this book affected your ties to the Republican
Party? Are they ignoring your phone calls of the GOP?

SCHWARZ: They're even ignoring the emails these days. I still have
plenty of people from within the party and many high level state
people all over the country. They're beginning to figure out that this
not the RNC-GOP they once had believed in. I mean, there's a lot of us
talking about third party. We have enough disaffected Republicans and
disaffected Democrats that are waking up and smelling the coffee. You
might be able to generate what you'd say a 50-percent party out here
from people who are just fed up.

ICONOCLAST: So people from the upper eschelons are thinking about
pulling their money out?

SCHWARZ: I'm aware of one major investor group right now that is
looking into putting a whole new network together. It is going to be a
truth network until Americans choke on the truth.

ICONOCLAST: What does that include? What are they going to be doing?

SCHWARZ: DSS, cable, radio.

ICONOCLAST: They're just going to start a media empire?

SCHWARZ: Yeah, just lay it on out there and we're going to say, "This
is what's going on, folks. This is what they are really doing to you."
Just putting out the hard facts. I mean, ask yourself this, What's
been going on for the last two years? You think CNN could have found
something more timely and more probative than Scott and Lacey
Peterson? I mean, I've got one progressive that advises me on a lot of
stuff. She calls it "the distraction de jour of the day." She coined
the phrase that we're using today on the radio, "The Truth Comes Alive
in '05." She's very humorous, but by the same token, she's like me.
She wants her country back.
These people designed this. They are people who want it their way, not
what you and I would consider our way. That's where I drew the line in
the RNC. In fact, I've had a lot of people ask me to run for
president. They say, "Why don't you take over the RNC?" And I said,
"Well, let me tell you the same thing I told Pat Buchanan's people.
Pat wants to fight for the heart and soul of the GOP. I'm not so sure
there is a heart and soul left."
People said, "Well, we can take over the DNC." I said, "Well, taking
over the DNC means I have to hook up with the far fringe wacky Left.
I'm not going there either. It's not me. I'd rather declare myself an
independent or a libertarian and be done with it. Tell it like it is.
Black is black, and white is white."
But Americans have a lot to come to grips with when it comes to the
truth. They've been sold a pig in the poke, and what concerns me is
that there's so many people who watch CNN? Can't you tell that they're
just spooking you? They're getting the news to you in small bites, so
you think that's what's going on.
This whole debate on Social Security is going to expose a lot of
what's going on. What are their real goals? What are they after? Well,
they're after $60-90 billion a year in investments. There are sharks
in those waters who will steal from you. They get by with it. And then
what are you going to do?

ICONOCLAST: So what does this power group that George Bush is
associated with want from us? Do they just want us to be their slaves?

SCHWARZ: I've heard it described as "cash crop." I've used the analogy
of the hampster on a wheel. You may think you have the American Dream,
but you don't. You may think you can attain it, but it ain't going to
happen if you're not a part of that little group. That's not the
America people stand up for and that's not the America people stand up
and salute the American flag for. This is about all of us, not just a
few of us. What's scary is to what degree. The Project for a New
America. Century People. The neo-cons. To what extent they have
co-opted the media, co-opted the bureaucracy, the office of the
president, Congress, the courts, even the military to which they buy
off on this. They don't understand what's at stake. What's at stake
here, how about your future? How about your freedoms? How about if you
ever have a chance at all in your life to be something? If you're not
a part of the little group, you're not on the RSVP list.

ICONOCLAST: You're associated with a lot of business folks. How big is
this network?

SCHWARZ: It's already running into the millions. It started off two
years ago with 300,000 people. who were shareholders of companies that
knew they were robbed and who robbed them. The Bush Administration,
the FCC, and the courts just stood there and looked the other way.
So basically, I started off building this with a core group of 300,000
really angry people whose standard of living and financial security
had been financially plundered with all this market fraud you saw.
Once I showed them who did it and how they did it, I basically found
myself being a leader whether I wanted to or not. And frankly, I
didn't want to. I found myself being in the middle of something I
didn't want to be in, but I couldn't look the other way because this
effected me, too. I used to be worth $90 million, but I'm not now.
Trust me. I'm mad as a hatter of being diced up and having no legal
rights whatsoever.

ICONOCLAST: Are there any other groups that you are working with? And
who is a part of your group?

SCHWARZ: They are disaffected conservative Republicans, progressives
... We don't have that I'm aware of what you would call "Far Left,"
but we have plenty of conservative to moderate Democrats, people from
the Green Party, Constitution Party, Reform Party, Libertarian Party.
It's kind of like pick a party. We're finding that the numbers are
very large. A lot of people are discussing the same things that you
and I are discussing that something is wrong with this country and
they want it fixed, and they want it fixed now.

ICONOCLAST: What about people of faith?

SCHWARZ: Oh, yes. In fact, I know more Christians than I do
Republicans. I don't know hardly any of them that voted for Bush in
this last election for the simple reason that they are fed up with the
lies, the killing, and the greed. They're fed up with it. They watched
Martha Stewart get five months in jail while the people who plundered
100 times more than her got a slap on the wrist.

ICONOCLAST: How is this group growing?

SCHWARZ: On the political side, there's about 10,000 people. We're
working on an action plan. We're working grassroots, trying to get to
the door-to-door level, somebody within a block or a street. You know,
go talk with your neighbors. Go talk to them about what's really going
on. I mean, here's a good question: you know Bush's tax-refund? My
retort to that is in the form of a question, "Let's have a show of
hands. How many of you had your tax cut yanked out of your hands with
the increased costs of gasoline because we had a terror alert "orange"
right before check showed up?" I think you'd see 75-percent of the
American people raise their hands in the air.
Look at how Bush has grown government. A true conservative would not
even think about doing what he's doing with concern to the way he's
growing government with these deficits.

ICONOCLAST: What's he spending it on?

SCHWARZ: You can trace ever bit of this money from federal funding
initiation to some omnibus group right back into the hands of his
major backers. Go back to the State of the Union speech. Look at the
smirk on Cheney's face when he was talking about doing away with the
frivolous asbestos suits. (Laughs). I mean, I just wanted to slap Cheney.
See, I've met Cheney. I talk about this in the book. Back when he was
Secretary of Defense, I lived in Northern Virginia at that time. I had
an office in D.C. We were both in a Nordstrom's men's store in
Virginia, getting fitted out. He was buying three or four suits, and I
was buying six. They had one guy on duty that day that was marking the
suits. So he and I got to visit a lot because this took an hour and a
When we were talking, I got a pretty good feeling of this guy. And I'm
telling you, who I see on TV today is not even the same guy. I don't
know what got to him or what he bought off on, but that was not the
same man I talked to at Nordstrom's. And my wife noticed the same
thing before we got divorced. "What in the hell is wrong with him?" I
said, "I don't know." (Laughs) "I don't know, and I'm not so sure I
want to know."
There have been some people who have been paying attention to a
different direction than me. I'm talking Christians. I'm not talking
the wacky secular folks on Far Left. What they are seeing here are
some really strong elements of Satanism, too, like human life just
doesn't matter, like human life has no value. I mean, I've seen
certain pieces of it myself, but I just haven't had time to delve into it.

ICONOCLAST: What do you mean? Do you mean that these people are acting
like Satanists because they treat people badly?

SCHWARZ: I'm talking about some of the stuff that comes out of
government. You know, 2,000 American soldiers and probably 20,000
massively injured, that their agendas are higher and loftier than that
and 100,000 dead Iraqis.

ICONOCLASTS: So they are unfeeling.

SCHWARZ: Not exactly "compassionate conservative." Very
uncompassionate conservative. I get that sense when I see them
callously push certain discussions and keep going for their target. I
keep saying, "What is their target?" When I ask myself that question,
and add up everything I know I don't like what I see.
I think their aim is fundamentally evil, whether they see that or not.
They may not see that. They may not be what you would call "practicing
Satanists." They may not have discernment. That old Christian word.
Learn to use discernment. "Recognize them by their fruits." When I
look at them, I see some things, but until you sit down and talk to
somebody you don't know their heart, so I'm not really sure how much
of that I'm seeing, but I have to agree to some of the people who have
pointed it out to me some of the things that don't smell right.
So basically how would you describe me: an ecumenical Christian who
doesn't buy off on their values the way they have practiced them. I
don't agree with the killing. I don't agree with greed. I don't agree
with their lies. I don't agree for the lack of compassion of human
beings, whether they be Americans or foreigners. As a Republican, I'm
very conservative. Primarily, I'm a social and fiscal conservative,
and I see neither coming from them. It's just lip service. So that's
pretty well how you can sum me up.

Schwarz's book, "One Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas: a Conservative
Republican Speaks Out," can be purchased on his website
( or by mail to Republic Broadcasting
Network, 1015 South Mays Street, Suite 100, Round Rock, Texas, 78664.
Checks should be payable to "CSIN." See advertisement on the back page
for more information.

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Its too bad more folks don't pay attention to this kind of information. Unfortunately its written off as looney-ness -- but I think there is a tremendous amount of truth here.

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Thanks! I for one am seriously considering ordering his book.;) Hopefully others will start paying more attention, before it is too late:(

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I hope so. I'm so bummed about the state of things, most days I think it is already too late.

Part of the reason I'm here is to try to stop supporting Big Corporate America and begin to have more self-sufficiency. If "the worst" happens, we will all be in a boat load of trouble and those of us who are able to exist without the grid and can raise our own food will be the lucky ones.

If you do read the book, I hope you will offer a review here.
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